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A reissue of a classic text, Norms and Nobility is a provocative reappraisal of classical education that offers a workable program for contemporary school reform. David Hicks contends that the classical tradition promotes a spirit of inquiry that is concerned with the development of style and conscience, which makes it an effective and meaningful form of education. DismissA reissue of a classic text, Norms and Nobility is a provocative reappraisal of classical education that offers a workable program for contemporary school reform. David Hicks contends that the classical tradition promotes a spirit of inquiry that is concerned with the development of style and conscience, which makes it an effective and meaningful form of education. Dismissing notions that classical education is elitist and irrelevant, Hicks argues that the classical tradition can meet the needs of our increasingly technological society as well as serve as a feasible model for mass education....

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  • Cindy Rollins
    2019-02-24 08:31

    Sixteen years ago, I bought this book and took it to the hospital to read after giving birth to my youngest son. The hormones were not right. I came home and sold the book. I could not understand one sentence. Trusting all those smart people I followed around I dished out the $40.00 to re-buy it a couple years after that. I committed to blogging through my reading of the book and that helped tremendously. Since then I have read Norms and Nobility several times and modeled my high school after his models as best I could. In one of those unforeseen enchantments of life, I now count David Hicks as a personal friend. And now I have finished reading this book one more time. This time I understood much more than the time before. I have gone from babyhood in my understanding to twenty-something. Perhaps, I will never fully be grown-up enough to grasp it all. My own education has been left almost entirely in my own hands. I do wonder if there are any real schools following this model. It is a beautiful one which grasps so much of what is missing in the morass of ideas parading around as education. "In fact, our modern educational establishment is expert at treating symptoms, at describing a disease exactly with its marvelous tools of analysis, while ignoring the invisible causes." Think about that quote the next time you get in a debate over some issue or even when you start to grapple with an issue in your own mind. Your analysis is your problem. You are awash in too much information to clearly see any causes. This one would do with yearly readings.

  • Matt Bianco
    2019-03-04 02:39

    This was another book that took me some time to read. Norms and Nobility is a 157 page book that costs $47. The price tag on such a small book will scare people off from reading it. However, I must commend it to anyone who can get their hands on it. Norms and Nobility is filled with wisdom and depth, there is no superfluity in the book, you will get every penny of your $47 out of this book. The first two-thirds of the book is about the ideas behind classical education. The second one-third is a practical discussion of the implementation of classical education.Author David Hicks hits on every point you could possibly think of in regards to classical education. He will challenge how you think of education; he will question your modern suppositions.One of the main ways in which this book has challenged me is to change the way I approach teaching. My modern suppositions make me want to lecture my students, this comes naturally to me because it is the way I was taught. However, it is actually a quite unnatural way to teach and to learn. Hicks argues that we need to make myths of the truths we are learning. That to present data (or norms, more importantly) as a list of dos and don'ts is to teach unnaturally. Better, we create myths of the norms (as Homer did with heroism in The Iliad) or as God has done with the norms of the Bible (think of adultery being best taught through the story of David and Bathsheba). The real challenge is to learn to do that with those subjects that aren't naturally myths, the maths and sciences. Literature and history are naturally in myth form, making it easier to teach them that way. But the maths and sciences will take effort. This is our challenge.A second way Hicks has challenged my thinking is to reconsider the democratic way in which classical education can be implemented. Many have argued that classical education is for the elite, that it isn't for everyone. But Hicks convincingly argues this is untrue. To Hicks, it is modern education that creates elites, although in many cases the elites have been redefined.Finally, his practical implementation for classical education is well thought out and usable. He lists books that are to be examples of the types of books to use, not the exact books that would necessarily have to be used. This gives homes and schools the freedom to modify for their individual needs and tastes. One striking note from the concluding section of the book, "Only the careless and unskilled teacher answers questions before they are asked. The teacher's chief task is to provoke the question, not to answer it; to cultivate in his students an active curiosity, not to inundate them in factual information."If this quotation doesn't resonate with or make sense to you, I challenge you to read this book--it will.This is a book that will require reading and re-reading. You will get your money's worth from this book.

  • Jill Courser
    2019-03-20 05:30

    Truly a mind-transforming book. Very challenging but worth the effort! One I will need to keep rereading, probably for the rest of my life. "True learning brings man to a full stature of his humanity in all his domains - the individual, the social and political, and the religious...True learning resolves the paradox between educating for the world's fight and for the soul's salvation in favor of the active life of virtue. Only a saved soul can fight the world's fight and know the cost of losing and the value of what it has won."

  • Angie Libert
    2019-03-16 03:45

    I decided to rate this book 5 stars, rather than 4, because it is a rare treat to find a book that has both excellent philosophical ideas, as well as practical application ideas. The authors thoughts on The Ideal Type has changed my view of the world and education. It is through discovering what the Ideal Type is that we ourselves become virtuous human beings. And it is through reading and studying history and classics that we discover what the Ideal Type is and how that Ideal affected change in the world. I realize that this statement does not likely sound profound, but the way the author explained this idea gave me a greater depth of understanding this idea.Another concept that struck me in this book was the comparison between what "can be done" with what "ought to be done". Modern man often focuses on what can be done, rather than what ought to be done. It is through the study of the Ideal Type that we are able to distinguish between these two ideas and make better choices for ourselves, our families and our communities. The chapters on Ennobling the Masses and The Necessity of Dogma were also excellent. And the Grade 7-12 education plan appears thorough and completely doable. I would highly recommend this book to all educators!

  • Steve
    2019-03-21 08:32

    Here is an essay that digs deep into the roots and purposes of classical education. This is not a replication exercise, i.e. how can we re-create the educative methodology of the ancient world, plonked down in our school or classroom. Rather it is a thought-out application of classical and Biblical principles from a seasoned practioner. Replete with quotable insights, the main threads are clear:-The teacher is a model not just a conveyer belt for data;Analysis is not the method of a classical approach. Analysis has too much of a scientific skew. Rather we want to learn how to ask the right questions, not supply a photocopy of the correct responses. How to think, not what to think.Method over data. Classical education inculcates a method life-long inquiry, not the mastering of a pile of information, or exam fodder.Education is after virtue, not a fuller curriculum vitae.There's loads more and it's all very good. It takes more than one read though..

  • Jennifer Dow
    2019-03-16 03:34

    This book has altered my paradigm in regards to man and education more than any other book. I hesitated to mark it as read because I will really never be done reading this book. I highly recommend this book to anyone who care that people are educated in a way that is actually consistent with who we are as human beings. I just started a yahoo group dedicated to discussing this book. I would love to have any one interested join the conversation.

  • Mackenzie
    2019-03-24 07:38

    Really really good. It took me a long time to finish because its a book that needs to be pondered extensively. Its a challenging read but I would definitely recommend it for any homeschooling parent, especially those interested in classical, Charlotte Mason or just a good general Christian education (which I believe to all be the same thing :-) ) Worth the price!

  • Vivian
    2019-03-12 00:38

    This heady tome assumes the reader has a robust vocabulary and a passing familiarity of philosophy. I slugged my way through, ferreting out gems and wondering why this didn't cross my radar sooner! I was under the "inter-library loan" gun to get it read in a week, for which I am now glad. Am considering buying my own copy so I can underline and reference it.Now that Common Core is in the offing, this book is more important than ever. The author makes a strong case that a "classical" education is the only education model that will preserve democracy in the long run. It is interesting to weigh the predictions and observations he made thirty years ago to today's reality. Sobering, indeed.

  • Melanie
    2019-03-18 07:42

    2017- Read it slowly this time. Will take many more readings to grasp it.2014 -I confess I didn't quite finish it. I read most of it and I have no idea what it said. So dense, so philosophical. I thought Climbing Parnassus was a much better argument for classical ed - mostly because I could understand it! But I had to read it quickly because it was an ILL.

  • Sheri
    2019-03-07 07:36

    Finally finished this book! I feel like I only scratched the surface though and I know I must read it again. I am inspired and wish I had read it at the beginning of my homeschooling journey rather than at the end.

  • Meagan
    2019-03-23 04:39

    Favorite quotes:"True learning knows what is good, serves it above self, reproduces it, and recognizes that in knowledge lies this responsibility.""Education as paideia is not preparation for life, for college, or for work; it is our inherited means of living fully in the present, while we grow in wisdom and in grace, in conscience and in style, entering gradually into 'the good life.'""The greatest part of education is instilling in the young the desire to be good: a desire that sharpens and shapes their understanding, that motivates and sustains their curiosity, and that imbues their studies with transcendent value."

  • Andrew
    2019-02-26 02:34

    I'm also reading this book and always amazed by its insights and depths. Hicks sees the point at which education has broken down, and he discusses how it happened, what could have been, and how it can be fixed. However, he wrote in 1980 and some of his predictions have been depressingly fulfilled already. If it is not too late, this book will help many of us find a path out of this dark wood we are lost in. His comparison of normative with analytical education is mind expanding, humbling, and very, very wise.

  • Julie
    2019-03-08 07:39

    After reading this book, feel a heavy responsibility to teach my children to be virtuous and wise. The responsibility becomes more onerous as I realize I am not so virtuous and wise myself. However, the book fires me with the passion to try and to do my best with God's help. There is so much goodness in its pages that sometimes the words caused my heart to race. I've read this book before, and I plan to read it again and again.First reading: October 27, 2010

  • Austin Hoffman
    2019-03-08 06:35

    This one rounds out my top three for Christian Classical Education (Abolition of Man, The Liberal Arts Tradition, and Norms and Nobility). Hicks paints an idealist vision for education that provides normative expectations rather than simply describing the way things are. This one rewards rereading. It's worth the high price tag.

  • Robert T
    2019-02-24 03:49

    The best book on classical education.

  • Ashley
    2019-02-27 04:32

    An important read for paradigm shifting towards Classical Education. I enjoyed wrestling with his ideas and what they are challenging me to change or accept.

  • Marni
    2019-02-27 03:55

    I had to read this work, when just about every book I read or talk I heard about Classical education included quotes from this book. But it is HARD to read. His vocabulary is definitely beyond college level. I wondered who his audience was? On a podcast I heard him sheepishly confess that his audience was himself, and he proceeded to thank everyone who had read it. That made me feel better! But the book is indeed filled with a noble and inspiring educational philosophy, a clear call to action, a potent critique of modern education and a treasure trove of quotable nuggets. Just have your dictionary handy and proceed to read very slowly!

  • Scott Gercken
    2019-03-16 08:29

    While this book was originally written in 1981, it is just as incisive and compelling in 2015 as it likely was then. Hicks delves into the root problems in modern American schooling citing the outright rejection of the Ideal Type, the tyrannizing image, a vision of virtuous perfection to which all students are encouraged to aspire, rather than the image of the avaricious technician who longs only for the life of pleasure.My reading has been directed toward building my personal concept of the ideal Lutheran classical school, especially the treatment of the arts therein. Hicks' book is nearly perfect for the task. Its chief fault is a weak Christology characterized by a Christ portrayed as little more than a "logos incarnate" ("logos" with a lower-case lambda) that can bleed only the ink of allegory, not the true Christ, perfect God and perfect Man, who shed his precious, RH-typeable blood for the redemption of the whole world when the fullness of time had come.Despite this frailty, a foundation is laid in which classical Christians of differing confessions may come to a basic understanding of what classical schooling aims to achieve, while drawing on their distinctive articles of faith for the buttressing of a unique curriculum for each. Far from espousing a liberalism that downplays the stark differences between classical Christian confessions that would make use of the classical paradigm, Hicks writes this volume allowing for those differences without attempting to convert his reader. However, he does extol the "hope for a Christian paideia" because of its "profound and thoughtful integration of the classical and Christian traditions, which the modern school - with an alarming smugness - jettisons." (p. 104)This book has articulated with peculiar clarity the things I have wanted to say as a teacher against the status quo of modern education, but had not the right words to use. I highly recommend this book to any aspiring or active-service teacher, school administrator, or board member, for they will be brought to the point of asking the most important questions facing the educational enterprise. Such readers can expect to be bothered by continued, unquestioning complacency with the state of modern schooling, while simultaneously invited to the Great Conversation held in the classroom of the ancients in which the Ideal Type moves humanity toward the good life of virtue.

  • Sally Ewan
    2019-03-18 01:30

    Having heard many references to this book during my homeschooling years, I am glad to have finally read it! I thought it was a powerful and humbling book. I still don't know how to teach correctly, and the gap between what I desire to accomplish and the actual results always leaves me wistful. But facing two more years with a reluctant student, I am encouraged and filled with zeal by the idea of a classical education's power. I am more determined than ever to persevere in my efforts, hoping to light a spark in this resistant scholar.I love this quote: "Democratic youth must be tempered: snatched from the fire of democracy and plunged into the water of classical education. Only this fire-and-water dialectic will prevent the true advantages of democracy from becoming liabilities. For whereas democracy releases the energy enabling men enabling man to gain the whole world, he avails himself of this superabundant force, like Faust, at the risk of losing his own soul. It is the prime objective of classical education in a democracy, therefore, to turn man's attention away from worldly gain and onto the soul's salvation..."

  • Allison
    2019-03-08 07:26

    I slowly muddled through the philosophical language, but really was inspired by this book. It presents a radically different vision for education than what is typically found today and causes you to consider, "What is meant by education?" and "What does it mean to be an educated person?" While the latter half of the book provides a practical guide for classical education, the real meat of the book is the first half which digs into a classical philosophy of education that is truely based on the ancient classics. A wonderful, inspiring read. I will definitely reread it again. The reason I gave it four instead of five stars is because it is very costly, even in the used book market.

  • Mary
    2019-03-17 02:44

    This book helped me make sense of educational observations and philosophies I have pondered over time, beginning when I was an observing K-12 student, as I was training to be a teacher myself, and then while homeschooling my own children and continuing to read about education. While I read through the book, my anticipation grew with every chapter as I drew closer to the conclusion. My eyes were wet as I arrived. I loved this book and it has stayed with me. I think this is going to have to become an annual read for me.

  • Gloria
    2019-03-06 06:54

    I loved this book. It is not light reading, but for anyone (especially homeschool teachers) interested in classical education for the younger (middle and high school) student, it is invaluable. Indeed, Hicks' reasoned development of the argument for classical education is enough to recommend it far beyond educational circles. Especially helpful was Chapter 9, A Curriculum Proposal, which suggest a possible curriculum for Grades 7 through 12, including suggested classical readings for each grade level.

  • Tyson Guthrie
    2019-03-19 04:39

    If you think you are a successful teacher and want to continue believing that, don't read this book. If you want to become a better teacher and are willing to risk never feeling successful at all, read Hicks. In this short, dense treatise He urges educators to see their goal not as manufacturing skilled professionals, but as molding noble men and women modeled after the Ideal Type of classical literature.

  • Karen
    2019-03-20 07:47

    This is not a book to rush through. This is a thoughtful, reasoned look at what education is in the US (published in 1981) and what it could be. It's sobering to realize that 30+ years have passed. The educational system has only worsened, and many dire predictions that Mr. Hicks made have come to pass. Highly recommended.

  • Brianna
    2019-03-09 05:31

    Every teacher and student should read and adhere to the words in these pages. By reading this as a young student, I've just skimmed the surface of the correlation between paideia education and the Christ-centered life. Don't read this just once. I know I'll be reading this as much as I can throughout my entire life.

  • Timothy Bartel
    2019-03-10 08:42

    One of the best books I've read recently on education. Though his cultural critique is a little dated here and there (it was published in 1981), Hicks presents a winsome, convicting, and largely convincing apologia for a return to classical education in the face of contemporary educational failures.

  • Teresa
    2019-03-05 03:40

    So far, this book is teaching me that I am not as well-read in the ancient philosophers as I hope to become; therefore, I can't grasp from experience all Mr. Hicks is alluding to. But, what a book it is already!

  • ToddCapen
    2019-02-28 04:35

    This book is a gift to any Christian School administrator.

  • JoDean
    2019-03-19 07:32

    available at USU library

  • Kellie
    2019-03-22 03:29

    This book was expensive, but I feel it is worth every penny I spent. The book has so much wisdom in it and has changed my view of education.